13 years on psychotropics

[Samsara]

A more concise statement would be:

Technically, a person cannot be deemed as "offically" experiencing protracted WD effects from the last psyche drug(s) they have ceased taking IF they have been regularly, continurally and/or sporatically ingesting any type of psychoactive substance, since, they are NOT officially drug-free. Rather, they are in prolonged WD effects due to the remedies they utilize to manage psyche drug WD syndrome.

In other words, they keep the WD process activated by what the substances they ingest. Hence, full recovery is significantly delayed.

With all that said, there are people such as yourself Stan, who have refrained from ingesting such substances but who still suffer for a long time. HOwever, I do believe that you will not be suffering for 5 - 6 years or more because you have left your receptor alone ............so they can learn their back to homeostasis WITHOUT INTERFERENCE. This is very important.

Please forgive me If my posts come across assertive in any way. I don't mean to be. Rather, I'm merely presenting what I have come to know via research, observation as well as personal experience.


Samsara

[Luc]

Stan, if my memory serves me right - one of the symptoms that has been of lesser intensity in your case was anhedonia. How is it for you now? Are you able to distract yourself away from WD at least a little bit? Be it by eating, watching TV, etc?

[Luc]

Very interesting discussion, guys. The most generalized (and I'm pretty much sure - true) rule applicable to WD would be "as far as the length of the drug-taking influences the healing process, the speed-up in the recovery process (corner-turning) may for some come quite unexpectedly". I've corresponded with people who had taken SSRIs for 15+ years, and, as much as their early WD was a hell of hells, at some point the recovery process gained considerable momentum.

That said, we can apply diiferent coping strategies, suitable for each of us seperately - Stan and Sam, you're both right in your personalized approach to the matter, so to say.

[stan]

Samsara, i agree with many points of view such as it depends on damages created... but for my statistics, i prefer to compare to people of my lenght duration(much than 10 years); it reassures me more; i will reread the testimonies links you gave, i knew, but forget some;

i always like when you or other tell different points as i, i am trying to think why, what i have not seen...

[stan]

Stan, if my memory serves me right - one of the symptoms that has been of lesser intensity in your case was anhedonia. How is it for you now? Are you able to distract yourself away from WD at least a little bit? Be it by eating, watching TV, etc?

I do not really know what is anhedonia, maybe never experienced it, i suffer from isolating more and when distract, feel guilty for people who not distract;
i like eat some foods, i like watch TV some programs, i like to improve, i like when i walk better, when i speak, when in grocery, i have a little pleasure , but i am too early to arrive to say i have or not anhedonia (because of my other problems);
what i can say (if not mistake) i do not have the feeling of anhedonia actually, or i do not know; later , as all change, maybe i will change and have it; today it is not my problem apparently;

[Cindy]

Cindy........

forgive me IF I've already posted to you (but I can't remember if I thought about posting to you or actually did so) but I wanted to truly thank you so much for sticking around to provide support to those of us who are still going through WD. It really does mean a lot and I have benefited from your posts to others and thus, I wish to sincerely thank you!

No doubt you are moved by a compassionate spirit and please know that I recognize and value this!

BTW, I'm so glad you had made the journey through to recovery and I wish you an amazing life!

P.S. Very sorry you ever had to experience the journey and sorry for all you have suffered.


Samsara

Samsara,

I really appreciate your kind words...I'm just grateful that I'm in a place that I can help!!

[Cindy]

Cindy, thank you as always,

to add what Samsara says, i appreciate much more the truth than silly encouragments, i think your periods will be globally as mine, i can better plan mi life;
for the CLAIRE WEEKS I tried to find it in Paris big bookshops, i will buy it by internet (i do not much like buy by internet, but i will be forced, many have spoked me about this book)
many thanks

Stan,

Here is a link to Barnes and Noble (Bookstore here in US) it is very reputable. You can order the book or download the audio directly. You can even listen to a sample to see if you understand the audio enough. She does speak in an Australian accent so I'm not sure about the dialect.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/pass...=claire+weekes

This site from what I understand is run by her family…you don’t have to order online you can fax or mail. Plus there is a sample audio there too from “Hope and Help for your Nerves”.

http://www.claireweekes.com.au/index.html

(I’m not sure if it is okay to post links to buying sites, but, if not, please delete and Stan I can pm to you.)

[Samsara]

Samsara,

I really appreciate your kind words...I'm just grateful that I'm in a place that I can help!!

I appreciate your appreciation.


Samsara

[Samsara]

Very interesting discussion, guys. The most generalized (and I'm pretty much sure - true) rule applicable to WD would be "as far as the length of the drug-taking influences the healing process, the speed-up in the recovery process (corner-turning) may for some come quite unexpectedly". I've corresponded with people who had taken SSRIs for 15+ years, and, as much as their early WD was a hell of hells, at some point the recovery process gained considerable momentum.

That said, we can apply diiferent coping strategies, suitable for each of us seperately - Stan and Sam, you're both right in your personalized approach to the matter, so to say.

Exactamondo Luc!

Samsara

[Samsara]

Samsara, i agree with many points of view such as it depends on damages created...

Yes the degree of damage created is an important point.


but for my statistics, i prefer to compare to people of my lenght duration(much than 10 years); it reassures me more;

Oh Stan, that's really okay. Please know that I was not suggesting that you adopt my psychological strategy. You have to utilize whatever method works best for YOU.


i will reread the testimonies links you gave, i knew, but forget some;

BTW, those testamonies are of mixed cases (some people recovered quickly, while other took longer) There are a LOT of stories to sift through and it can be a tedious task. Too bad the stories aren't categorized. This would make things so much easier.

i always like when you or other tell different points as i, i am trying to think why, what i have not seen...

Everything is fine Stan. I too like to hear different points of view. You are no different than the rest of us. We are all trying to figure out the "whys" and that "what's" and "when". It's a very overwhelming psychological dilemma.

I've learned all I can about the subject TBH. Bottom line is: there is sometimes no predicting who will recover sooner, who will recover later based on how many drugs one has taken or how long they have taken them for etc.

I had a friend who was ALWAYS on THREE psyche drugs (AD, antipsychotic and benzo) for 30 years straight and she had been ECT'd so many times it's not even funny and YET, she rapidly tapered off ALL drugs and had hardly suffered at all. She was NEVER housebound nor violently sick. She's out having a full life while I'm still very restricted. So, go figure!

I can give you countless examples. BTW, I do realize that you have read many such cases as well. I'm just sharing but not trying to preach or convince etc. :)

I have to TRUST and have faith in the LAW OF AVERAGE and hold out for that. (lol) This is why I hold out for the 3 year mark (at least for NOW). Once I get there, I will reassess things. :)

We WILL RECOVER and I believe we will see major progress over the next 6 months. We've come this far.........the rest of the journey may not be seamless by any means but it should get easier.


Massive and Marvelous Healing to Us ALL!!!!

Samsara