Herxheimer reaction

[poodlebell]

Hi Sheila

this bit is good for us to read

Psychotropic Toxins

One of the most common and confusing toxins in our society and one that is often overlooked are psychotropic toxins. Psychotropic toxins are substances that alter the brain or in other words, mind-altering or mood altering substances. This would include both street drugs like marijuana, alcohol, cocaine, heroin, benzodiazepines, etc and prescription drugs like Xanax, Prozac, Ativan, as well as sugar, caffeine, nicotine, chocolate and carbohydrates, even complex carbohydrates like whole grains.(grains are just as addictive as drugs) Most of our society is dependent on at least one of these substances to get through the day, because of the toxins in our environment that impair the autonomic nervous system.

Addiction is a both a symptom of toxicity and a toxin itself.

As we discussed throughout this page, the autonomic nervous system and neurotransmitters in the brain are impaired from toxins and results in the vast amount of psychological and physiological symptoms like MCS, chronic fatigue, chronic pain, anxiety, depression, hyperactivity, headaches etc. This often pushes the individuals to reach for psychotropic toxins in order to feel better. The most dangerous aspect of psychotropic toxins is that they temporarily relieve your symptoms, thus tricking you into believe they are making you better.

Psychotropic toxins of all kinds mimic your natural neurotransmitters, serotonin, dopamine, endorphins/enkaphlins, endocannabinoids, GABA and acetylcholine, thus what provides the temporary relief in pain, depression, anxiety, energy, etc. For example, nicotine mimics dopamine and acetylcholine, marijuana mimics dopamine and endocannabinoids, alcohol affects serotonin, dopamine, endorphins and GABA, opiods mimic endorphins and dopamine, while benzodiazapines mimic dopamine and GABA.

They temporarily boost your neurotransmitters and turn off your sympathetic nervous system. However, the brain then responds by making less neurotransmitters because it thinks it has enough. Remember neurotransmitters are needed to cope with the total stress/toxic load. When they aren't present, then they can't counteract norepinephrine and turn off your sympathetic nervous system.

Thus a vicious cycle ensues. When neurotransmitter levels drop lower, then you become dependent on the psychotropic substance to bring them back up. The more you turn to the psychotropic toxins, the more your neurotransmitters become depleted and the more dominant your sympathetic nervous system becomes. More and more symptoms develop and mental and physical health continue to decline. Psychotropic drugs become a way of anesthetizing the autonomic nervous system.

Addicts of all kinds are unconsciously trying to restore balance to their brain chemistry, soothe their autonomic nervous system and find inner peace, which has been disrupted from toxins or stress, by using psychotropic chemicals to artificially stimulate their neurotransmitters.

Like all other toxins, the psychotropic toxins must be removed in order to return to the parasympathetic state. There cannot be improvement in psychiatric or physiological health if one remains dependent on psychotropic's. Psychotropic's take the brain, which is the captain of the ship for the autonomic nervous system, out of the ball game.

As we discussed in the frontal lobe section of this page, the frontal lobes and the associated neurotransmitters, serotonin, dopamine, GABA, taurine, acetylcholine, endorphins/enkephalins are needed to deal with stress, inhibit the locus ceruleus, excessive norepinephrine, the amygdala and regulate the sympathetic nervous system. Psychotropic impair this process. Without these neurotransmitters we cannot turn off fight or flight.

However, one's ability to give up the psychotropic toxins is highly dependent on the diet they eat, their nutritional status and the amount of toxins, both internal and external, they are exposed to; as each of these issues disrupts neurotransmitters and triggers the autonomic nervous system. So once again, we see how recovery requires that the toxins be eliminated, the diet improved and the nutrients


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[Sheila]

That was very interesting, p.

Addiction is a both a symptom of toxicity and a toxin itself.

The more you turn to the psychotropic toxins, the more your neurotransmitters become depleted and the more dominant your sympathetic nervous system becomes.

Like all other toxins, the psychotropic toxins must be removed in order to return to the parasympathetic state.

These are particularly interesting points. I’ve always been interested in the idea that we crave things that temporarily soothe us, but in the long term throw us further out of balance.

And it’s very thought-provoking to think in terms of consciously balancing the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems. Here’s an interesing comment on that --

In the modern world, the sympathetic nervous system is related to activities that require your mental or physical alertness such as work and exercise. The parasympathetic is related to more relaxing activities such as sleeping, eating, and watching TV. We never have only one system working because both are necessary in order for the body to function. Proper balance between the two is the key to good health.

People who predominantly activate their sympathetic (Type A personality) tend to suffer from stress related symptoms such as heart problems, high blood pressure and insomnia. People who predominantly activate their parasympathetic (Type B personality) may experience depression, lack of motivation/ambition, and a weakened immune system.

With the constant pressures of today's society, it is often challenging to maintain proper balance between these systems. Your job may keep you in sympathetic mode. When you are sleeping, you are obviously in a parasympathetic mode. You must consciously balance your activities so that when one system becomes over stimulated, you switch to an activity that stimulates the other system.

For example, at work, it is important that you take breaks throughout the day and relax. On the weekends, you should avoid sleeping or zoning out in front of the TV the entire day (Sorry guys, but spending the entire Sunday watching sports is a very unhealthy habit). Instead try to do something relaxing, but active, such as playing recreational sports, going for a hike, fixing things around the house or even romping with your kids.

http://www.fitness.com/articles/284/...us_systems.php

[poodlebell]

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Through my years of research and as a student at the Academy of Functional Medicine, Dentistry & Psychology, studying under Dr. Charles Gant, here are a few things I have learned about toxicity, detoxification, the autonomic nervous system, and it's impact on our health. If you need a good doctor, then Dr. Gant is a great choice and exceptionally knowledgeable about detoxification, MCS, CFS, adrenal fatigue, depression, anxiety addictions and more. If you'd like to learn in more depth about some of the things I am presenting on this page and functional medicine in general, I highly recommend the Academy. Links for Dr. Gant and the Academy can be found at the bottom of this page.

Toxins of all kinds are able to cross the blood brain barrier. In our brain stem we have toxin receptors, called xenosensors. Xeno referring to xenobiotics, which are chemicals that are foreign to life. Sensor referring to responding to a stimuli. So xenosensors sense foreign chemicals in the body.

When a toxin is detected by the xenosensor it performs two functions. One, it sets off the fight/flight system warning us that there is threat to our existence and two, it activates our detoxification system.

So the fight or flight system warns us "hey there's a threat to our being here and we need to take action" and the detoxification system is called in like the calvary to eliminate the threat.

When a toxin receptor is stimulated, this triggers our Locus Ceruleus. The Locus Ceruleus resides in the brain stem and it then releases norepinephrine, which is an excitatory neurotransmitter that sets off the fight/flight response. It only takes one neuron in the Locus Ceruleus to instantly ignite all the cells in the body, because when we are faced with a threat there is no time for delay.

This triggers the amygdala, which is connected to the emotions like fear and anger that we often experience when under stress, which then triggers the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus then stimulates the pituitary to release ACTH which then stimulates the adrenal glands to release cortisol and preganglion sympathetic neurons stimulate the adrenal medulla to release epinephrine.

This system is called the fight/flight system, also known as the stress response system or the sympathetic nervous system, and takes place in the area of the brain called the limbic system. It is designed to protect us from threats like predators. It is a survival mechanism. In our earlier development as a species, it protected us from predators like lions. We would see the lion, the stress response system would go into action to help us deal with the stress of escaping the lion.

We would escape the lion, the sympathetic nervous system would turn off and the body would return to its pre-stress state called the parasympathetic state, which is a state of rest, digest and relaxation. The lions we face today come in the form of environmental toxins. Toxins are a threat to our survival in the same, and thus why we have a toxin receptor that triggers the stress response system. It's telling us that they are harmful to our existence and we should get away from them.

The problem in this day and age is that we are surrounded by lions (toxins) everywhere we go and we can't escape them, so we never return to the parasympathetic state. Pesticides and herbicides are at the store, on your food, at the bank, the park, the highways and in your neighbors yard, you're faced with air pollution, food additives and preservatives, perfume, heavy metals, cologne, dryer exhaust, construction of your home and car, computers, cell phones, cell towers, disinfectants, air fresheners etc. etc.

Every time we are exposed to these toxins they trigger the toxin receptor and set off the stress response system. The more toxins you are exposed to, the more often you are thrust into fight or flight.

The stress response system is essential for our survival, however, it was only intended to be used for brief emergencies, not extended periods of time. When we remain in this state for too long it becomes degenerative. The body actually prefers to be in the parasympathetic state, where it is regenerative.

When the body is in fight/flight, there is a cascade of physiological and psychological events that take place in the mind and body. Blood pressure and heart rate go up, digestion is shut down, metabolism and circulation are impaired, blood sugar rises which leads to high levels of insulin, hormones are disrupted, neurotransmitters are drained, detoxification is impaired, sleep is interrupted, memory and cognition may be impaired, immune function is weakened and there are high levels of anxiety and fear.

Our senses our also heightened, particularly our sense of smell. Thus, partially explaining why individuals with MCS have a heightened sense of smell for chemicals or fragrances. All of this is designed to give us laser targeted focus and lightning fast energy and stamina to withstand an emergency. We are in a state of high alert, or in other words, hypervigilance.

If you spend too much time in the sympathetic state, then physical and emotional health deteriorates and we age quickly. All the organs and systems may become affected and the body begins to break down in many areas. Symptoms, conditions, diseases and syndromes begin to develop like multiple chemical sensitivity, chronic fatigue - adrenal fatigue, insomnia, high blood pressure, circulation disorders, gastrointestinal disorders, heart disease, headaches, addiction, panic attacks, ulcers, autoimmune disorders, anxiety disorders, depression, and more.

It isn't just external toxins that trigger the sympathetic nervous system into action, it's internal toxins as well like candida yeast, lyme, bacterial overgrowth and parasites . Each of these organisms emits toxins that set off the same stress response. Even naturally occurring toxins like ammonia and by products of estrogen can trigger the stress response, if the body is not clearing them adequately.

Basically, toxins = toxic stress.

Additionally, it isn't just toxic stress we are under, there are many other kinds of stress as well. Dr. Charles Gant tells us that there are at least 12 different types of stress. There can be spiritual stress which results from lack of meaning and purpose in life, metabolic stress like hypoglycemia or insulin resistance, oxidative stress like sleep apnea, immune stress like food sensitivities, structural stress like TMJ, sensory stress like loud noises and bright lights, cognitive stress like unrealistic expectations, energetic stress like electromagnetic fields or endocrine stress like neurotransmitter imbalances or menopause, and the one we are most familiar with, emotional stress with its never ending of list of possibilities like financial worries, interpersonal relationships, career etc.

Each of these types of stress has the same impact on the mind and body; they trigger the Locus Ceruleus to release norepinephrine and set off the fight/flight, sympathetic stress response system as we discussed above. The more types of stress you are dealing with then the more often you are thrust into sympathetic fight or flight.

All toxins and/or stressors, trigger the Locus Ceruleus to release norepinephrine and set off the stress response system.

Toxic stress is interconnected to all the other types of stress and many of the other types of stress are interconnected to toxic stress. For example, toxic stress results in oxidative stress and can trigger immune stress, metabolic stress, spiritual stress, endocrine stress or emotional stress. While infectious stress, energetic stress and immune stress can all become toxic stress.

To illustrate this point further, pesticides impair the detoxification system, set off the stress response system are endocrine disruptors and weaken the immune system; while at the same time, setting off oxidative stress as the body fights off the toxin and emotional stress as the individual struggles to cope with the disruption to their life and the disruption to neurotransmitters that regulate emotional health.

Dr. Gant refers to this phenomenon as the Total Stress Load and Dr. Sherry Rogers refers to it as the Total Toxic Load, which is the sum total of all the different toxins or stressors that apply to your situation. The higher your total stress/toxic load the more degenerative your health will be. This is often generally referred to as chronic stress.

Additionally, once the toxins cross the blood brain barrier they can also land on receptors for our neurotransmitters and hormones, thus, disrupting the entire nervous system and endocrine system. They may mimic our neurotransmitters or hormones or impair their ability to perform their functions. For example, pesticides and heavy metals gravitate towards our iodine receptors which then inhibits the thyroid from functioning properly. Pesticides and many other toxins are also xenoestrogens, which means they mimic estrogen in our body, thus causing estrogen dominance and a whole host of health conditions that accompany too much estrogen, like breast cancer, fibroids, and PMS.

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Hormones and neurotransmitters are the commander of our ship, when they are not working properly then none of our systems and organs will run efficiently, the sympathetic nervous system will remain dominant and degradation of mental and physical health will occur.

When the body is under any type of stress, the Locus Ceruleus stimulates the norepinephrine, whcih stimulates the amygdala, which stimulates the hypothalamus to stimulate the adrenal glands to release cortisol. The primary role of cortisol is to counteract stress. If the body is under continual stress because of a high stress/toxic load, then eventually it cannot keep up with the demands and cortisol burns out, which leads to adrenal fatigue, which is commonly referred to as chronic fatigue syndrome. The same applies to DHEA another crucial hormone to counteract stress.

You can see the dilemma this creates; if you are under a high level of stress or toxins, then you have a very great need for cortisol. However, the high levels of stress or toxins depletes your cortisol levels, so it isn't available to assist you in this process. Thus without cortisol, you are really up the river without a paddle.

Some of the other common consequences of hormone disruption include estrogen dominance, feminization of men, early puberty, reduced sperm count, infertility, hyperthyroidism and then hypothyroidism and cancer Common consequences of neurotransmitter disruption include addiction, alcoholism, depression, anxiety disorders, insomnia, obesity, obsessive compulsive disorders and many more.

As we mentioned earlier, epinephrine is also triggered when the fight or flight system is activated and epinephrine then tells the liver to dump the sugar it has stored in reserve into the blood stream for energy to deal with the emergency at hand. This high level of sugar in the blood stream then tells the pancreas to release insulin to bring the blood sugar levels back down. When insulin is released it then tells the glucose receptors to open up and if there is more sugar than is needed at the moment, then it gets stored in the cell as fat. Thus why chronic stress is associated with weight gain and obesity.

If this process happens too frequently then eventually the glucose receptors becomes resistant to the messages of insulin and refuse to store anymore sugar, so the pancreas releases more insulin. This is known as insulin resistance, and leads to hyperinsulinism.

Too much insulin in the body disrupts the cells, causes inflammation and results in another cascade of symptoms and conditions like cravings for sugar, mood swings, weight gain, hypoglycemia, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, excessive fatigue and more. Even though blood sugar is high, it is not available to the cell for energy.

If the process continues, as it does in a state of chronic stress/toxins, then eventually the pancreas becomes too weak to perform its duties or it may become damaged by the excessive exposure to insulin and it no longer releases insulin, which results in glucose levels that are consistently high, type 2 diabetes has developed.

Toxins may even get inside the cell and disrupt DNA transcription, thus inducing changes in the way genes express themselves. Although all of us are vulnerable to this scenario children are even more vulnerable because their immune system and nervous system are not fully developed.

Types of Toxins or Stressors

There are many different types of toxins that may set off the fight or flight system, but here is an overview. The following model is taken from Dr. Charles Gant's 12 Types of Stress.
1.Toxic stress - this category refers to substances like pesticides, air fresheners, perfume/cologne, herbicides, heavy metals, industrial and agriculture pollution, electrosmog, mold or fungal mycotoxins, solvents, food additives, preservatives and dyes, etc.
2.Infectious stress - refers to viruses, fungus, parasites and bacteria like Candida, lyme, h pylori, worms etc.
3.Cognitive stress - refers to the thinking process and may include things like trying to live up to unrealistic expectations of others or your own, viewing the glass half-empty, a job with a high demand of cognitive functions, setting unrealistic goals for your life.
4.Metabolic stress - may include lack of exercise or too much exercise, hypoglycemia, syndrome x, and pH, blood sugar.
5.Sensory stress - may refer to excessive noise outside, loud noises, repetitive external stimulation, chronic pain, bright lighting.
6.Emotional stress - this is the type of stress that most of us think of when we use the word stress. There are many different types of emotional stress, but some of the most common would include, unemployment, poverty, ending of a relationship, death of a family member or friend, childhood abuse, divorce, relationship difficulties, internal conflict, unhealthy or dysfunctional relationships.
7.Immune stress - might include autoimmune condition, inflammation, food allergies or sensitivities.
8.Endocrine and neurotransmitter stress - imbalance of hormones, depleted adrenal glands, low or high cortisol, low or hyper thyroid, hyperinsulinism, type 2 diabetes, insulin resistance, menopause, andropause, imbalances or disruption of serotonin, dopamine, endorphins and GABA, too much norepinephrine./li>
9.Purposelessness stress - I refer to this as spiritual stress, which is about the depth of meaning and purpose you have in your, the quality of the relationship you have with yourself, the Universe and others. Your connection to self, others and Universe.
10.Oxidative stress - may include circulation issues, sleep apnea, impaired phase I or phase 2 detoxification, not enough fresh air, breathing or lung conditions.
11.Energetic stress - electrosmog that emits from all electronic like cell phone towers, cell phones, computers, etc. , as well as geopathic stress.
12.Structural stress - posture, TMJ, misalignment of the spine, cranio-sacral alignment.

Conditions that are Associated with Toxins

Environmental toxins are linked to pretty much every psychiatric and physiological health condition you can think of on one level or another. However, here are some that have the most connection:
•MCS- Multiple Chemical Sensitivity or sometimes called chemical injury.
•Autoimmune disorders
•Cognitive disorders
•Behavioral disorders
•Chronic fatigue also known as adrenal fatigue
•Depression
•All mental health disorders
•Cancer
•Chronic Pain Syndromes
•Anxiety disorders
•Alzheimer's
•Parkinson's
•Autism
•Fibromyalgia
•Hyperactivity
•Multiple Sclerosis - MS
•Lupus
•Arthritis
•Gulf War Syndrome
•Compulsive overeating or other OCD disorder
•Insomnia
•Heart Disease
•High Blood Pressure
•Most neurological disorders
•Obesity
•Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome
•Alcoholism/Addiction

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Toxins Target the Frontal Lobes of the Brain

When the sympathetic fight/flight system is activated for any reason, be it toxins or emotional stress, the frontal lobes of the brain are triggered as well to cope with the stressful event. Serotonin, dopamine, GABA, endorphins/enkephalins, etc. are released to inhibit the locus ceruleus, amygdala, thalamus, hypothalamus, and thus balance the fight/flight system. If the frontal lobes aren't working properly, then fight or flight cannot be regulated properly. You stay in fight/flight all the time.

Serotonin, dopamine, GABA, endorphins/enkephalins, endocannabinoids, taurine and histamine are neurotransmitters that all oppose norepinephrine, thus they turn off the sympathetic fight or flight system. They are released during times of stress to bring us back to the parasympathetic state.

However, the problem is that toxins target the frontal lobes of the brain, thus inhibiting them from doing their job of helping us cope with the total stress load.

For example, heavy metals, pesticides, candida yeast, food sensitivities, cavitations, lyme and psychotropic medication all impair normal function and/or production of dopamine and serotonin, two very important neurotransmitters needed to regulate mood and the sympathetic nervous system. Pesticides inhibit the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, which causes a build up of acetylcholine, the neurotransmitter that runs our autonomic nervous system, thus resulting in a constant firing of the sympathetic nervous system.

However, it doesn't matter what the toxin is, be it mold mycotoxins, food sensitivity, lyme, gut, cavitations, heavy metals, pesticides or psychotropic street drugs or prescription medications. Each and every one of them target the frontal lobes of the brain.

Not only does this frontal lobe damage keep the body in the sympathetic state, but it also results in diminished levels of neurotransmitter production and function, which compounds the problem even further. Our inhibitory neurotransmitters like dopamine, serotonin and GABA and hormones like cortisol and DHEA that are used for coping can't keep up, so they begin to diminish and are not available to us when we need them.

Insufficient or out of balance neurotransmitters and hormones result in a long list of disruptive and sometimes debilitating symptoms like anxiety disorders, depression, hyperactivity, insomnia, impaired memory, learning and concentration and more.

As we mentioned earlier, cortisol is a hormone that the adrenal glands release to help us cope with stress. When the body remains in the sympathetic fight/flight for too long, then cortisol levels can become depleted. Thus, perpetuating the problem even further. Not having enough cortisol then puts even more stress on the body and thrusts you deeper into fight or flight.

If this cycle continues for too long the neurotransmitters and hormones burn out. Cortisol burnout leads to adrenal fatigue, which is commonly labeled as chronic fatigue syndrome.

So toxins not only trigger your sympathetic nervous system thrusting you into fight or flight, but they also impair your built in back up system that is supposed to help you cope with the stress process and thus prevents you from returning to the parasympathetic state.

Additionally, the frontal lobes will also not work adequately if they are not receiving the proper nutrients needed for production, function and transmission. Neurotransmitters and hormones cannot be formed or function properly if the body is missing crucial nutrients like amino acids, fatty acids, b vitamins and minerals. So once again we see the importance of assessing and replenishing nutrient status. The more deficient you are, the more dominant the sympathetic nervous system is likely to become.

The goal in recovery of the frontal lobes is two pronged. On one hand you must reduce the toxins you are exposed to so the frontal lobes can begin working properly again and you must also engage in therapies that help increase frontal lobe activity, like deep breathing exercises, mindfulness meditation, yoga, art, music, humor, spending time with nature, meaningful relationships, biofeedback, nurturing movies and writing; anything that is nurturing and soothing. Neural retraining or limbic system retraining is proving to be helpful in this process as well.

We must reduce the toxins we are exposed to, while simultaneously trying to increase frontal lobe activity that will help us return to the parasympathetic state. Frontal lobe health must be supported with a diet high in protein for amino acids, as amino acids are the building blocks for neurotransmitters,, a healthy diet, nutritional support, and activities like mindfulness meditation, deep breathing exercises and time with nature.

The ability to inhibit the sympathetic nervous system (Locus ceruleus, excessive norepinephrine, amygdala) and thus reduce chronic stress burnout from excessive fight or flight is dependent on the health of your brain. To create a healthy brain it needs nutrition, good diet, detoxification and exercise. Yes, just like your body, your mind needs exercise, but brain exercise is achieved through mindfulness, meditation, deep breathing, visualizations or neural retraining etc.

[Luc]

The ability to inhibit the sympathetic nervous system (Locus ceruleus, excessive norepinephrine, amygdala) and thus reduce chronic stress burnout from excessive fight or flight is dependent on the health of your brain. To create a healthy brain it needs nutrition, good diet, detoxification and exercise. Yes, just like your body, your mind needs exercise, but brain exercise is achieved through mindfulness, meditation, deep breathing, visualizations or neural retraining etc.

At some point of WD, when the worst is over, it's really worth trying.

[Sheila]

Thanks very much, p-bell!

In our brain stem we have toxin receptors, called xenosensors.

This and the explanation of how the system then reacts is very interesting because I heard way back when that Paxil is stockpiled in the brainstem.

The lions we face today come in the form of environmental toxins.

Nice.

If you spend too much time in the sympathetic state, then physical and emotional health deteriorates and we age quickly. All the organs and systems may become affected and the body begins to break down in many areas.

This is the problem for those of us who spend a long time in recovery – secondary ailments are created.

However, it doesn't matter what the toxin is, be it mold mycotoxins, food sensitivity, lyme, gut, cavitations, heavy metals, pesticides or psychotropic street drugs or prescription medications. Each and every one of them target the frontal lobes of the brain.

I wonder if this is true about toxins always targeting the frontal lobe.

[stan]

it is written that toxins make us fight and flight; i do not remember being in this state during first 6 years when on paxil, i feeled nothing , but the next 6 years maybe some fight and flight, for me i was in a kind of very slow gradual tolerance, little more bad each day;
very interesting artikles i will reread later

[Sheila]

Also bumped for poodlebell.....

[poodlebell]

Hi Sheila

Wow you really are the best to bump this for me, I had forgotten all about all of this and re reading it it makes so much sense, again. The consultant at the Priory told me that it was my fight or flight that had gone wrong and he is right.

I cant seem to keep it in my head that its not really addiction when I have a reaction to taking something, the worst bit is that I get the bad reaction on stopping something, like the salt at the moment, I read that the tea you was taking you had to taper off so it would point to this being the f or f in us.

The consultant said to introduce things very slowly, which I had with the small amount of things I have tried, but give up too easily, Giak was into histamine and tried some things
and was better at first but then had to stop as they made her feel worse.

I still think its toxins, and whether our bodies remove the everyday toxins and toxins from stress properly, even down to the Perrins, it made me so much worse and this removes toxins, but I could not have any life doing this so stopped it.

I have looked into histamine a lot lately and this seems to be along with the adrenaline, cortisol, one of the things that affects us so much, not surprising as seroxat increase adrenaline with every pill and suppress histamine.

If you read this Stan, has the salt in food made any difference to you, it stopped the muscles and joint pain for me and I felt better, did not stop the headache, tinnitus and nausea and I wish it had not given me such a different headache as I was so confident that this would be good for me.

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